I have more old computers than God himself. :-)

[retrohacker]

Does God have computers? :)

Anyway, check this out...

6 TI-99/4A
5 Commodore 64 (Including Serial Number 00001012!)
2 Commodore 128
1 Amiga 1000
1 Amiga 500
2 Atari 400
1 Atari 600
1 Atari 800
1 Atari ST 512
1 Atari ST 1040
1 TRS-80 Model 3
2 Apple ][+
2 Apple IIe
3 Apple //c
1 Original 128K Macintosh
7 "other" Macintoshes
2 Vic-20
1 Coleco Adam
1 Timex Sinclair
1 AlphaMicro 100/L
1 NeXT
1 Sun 386i
1 Sun 3/60
1 Sun 3/80
2 SGI Indigo XS24
1 Cray (just kidding)

Not too shabby, eh? We're working on more on a regular basis... which we then also turn into cool T-shirts, but we're hoping one day to get all these puppies accessible on the net.

Check out our shirts if you're interested. http://www.retrohacker.com

[Erik]

Welcome to the VC Forum!

That's a very impressive collection you have there!

If you'd like any pictures of machines I've got (perhaps an Altair?) for shirts, I'm sure we can work something out. . . :)

Enjoy the forums!

Erik

[CP/M User]

"retrohacker" wrote in message:

> Does God have computers? :)

> Anyway, check this out...

> 6 TI-99/4A
> 5 Commodore 64 (Including Serial Number 00001012!)
> 2 Commodore 128
> 1 Amiga 1000
> 1 Amiga 500
> 2 Atari 400
> 1 Atari 600

I'm just wonderning about the Atari 600? Is that all that
different from an Atari 400 or is the keyboard more like
the 800?

> 1 Atari 800
> 1 Atari ST 512
> 1 Atari ST 1040

Well, there's no Atari XE in there. That's supposed to be
a nice machine. Unfortunately it feel victim to the Atari
when they decided to scrap it around a later year from
when it was released (if not it was a couple of months!)
for the Atari ST. I probably should have got the one I
saw, since they might be pretty rare now, but my folks
never really wanted me to collect old computers! :-(

> 1 TRS-80 Model 3
> 2 Apple ][+
> 2 Apple IIe
> 3 Apple //c

Yeah, those are pretty common I reckon, the best place
I found to get them was through the schools who were
getting rid of them!

> 1 Original 128K Macintosh

Crikey!! ;-)

> 7 "other" Macintoshes
> 2 Vic-20
> 1 Coleco Adam
> 1 Timex Sinclair
> 1 AlphaMicro 100/L
> 1 NeXT

What are those like? I've heard you can compare
them to a 386. But I've seen screen shots of the
OS. It looks so nice. Probably the first machine I
saw with a screen shot of the e-mailer! ;-)

Don't get rid of this machine whatever you do! :-)

> 1 Sun 386i
> 1 Sun 3/60
> 1 Sun 3/80
> 2 SGI Indigo XS24
> 1 Cray (just kidding)

With a collection like that, you might be able to
bargain with someone who's got a Jupiter Ace.
Those machines are as rare as! ;-)

> Not too shabby, eh? We're working on more on
> a regular basis... which we then also turn into
> cool T-shirts, but we're hoping one day to get all
> these puppies accessible on the net.

> Check out our shirts if you're interested.
> http://www.retrohacker.com

Cheers.

[joecommodore]

quote "CP/M User"
>"retrohacker" wrote in message:

>> 2 Atari 400
>> 1 Atari 600

>I'm just wonderning about the Atari
600? Is that all that
>different from an Atari 400 or is the keyboard more like
>the 800?

It is a modern 400 in general - looks like an 800XL but slightly smaller, has only a TV output (no monitor port). 2 joysticks no parallel, etc.

>> 1 Atari 800
>> 1 Atari ST 512
>> 1 Atari ST 1040

>Well, there's no Atari XE in there. That's supposed to be
>a nice machine. Unfortunately it feel victim to the Atari
>when they decided to scrap it around a later year from
>when it was released (if not it was a couple of months!)

I had one of those too, pretty nice, had BASIC and Missile Command built-in. Detached keyboard was ultra cool too.

>for the Atari ST. I probably should have got the one I
>saw, since they might be pretty rare now, but my folks
>never really wanted me to collect old computers! :-(

Was watching MTV's 'Cribs' recently and one pop star had an ST in their studio, so I guess for the music pro the ST isn't quite a dead platform yet.

> 1 TRS-80 Model 3

VCF really needs a TRS-80 fan doing a display, it's like a forgotten platform. Also a TRS-80 site would be ultra cool.

>> 2 Apple ][+
>> 2 Apple IIe
>> 3 Apple //c

Apple II has also been scarce for displays and websites... :-/


>> Not too shabby, eh? We're working on more on
>> a regular basis...

Pretty cool!

[Erik]

VCF really needs a TRS-80 fan doing a display, it's like a forgotten platform. Also a TRS-80 site would be ultra cool.

I'm 90% certain that I'll have a Model I at my VCF display. It's not listed yet because I haven't set it up for the show yet, but i'm pretty sure it'll work out.

Apple II has also been scarce for displays and websites... :-/

My display last year should have had my Apple ][+ running VisiCalc. I just didn't think of it in time and didn't have the space once I did.

Erik

[Blackcube]

Retrohacker, thats a pretty cool collection. I need to do an exact inventory soon. I'm not really too sure, exactly what I do have.

The T-shirts are good, but you shoud consider coffee cups and mouse pad's too. My brother-in-law runs a comedy video site www.comedyspot.com and he has had a lot of success with coffee mugs. You can't always wear a T-shirt to work, but everyone uses a personalized coffee mug.

I've got you beat on the Indigo's - I have 7 - 3 Elan's, 2 Entry (Song-and-Dance) with Starter Video, 1 XS24z, 1 XZ24.

I know three people who have Crays at home. One has 4 - 2 J9x series, 2 YMP series. I've looked into buying a Cray a couple of times. The hardware isn't that hard to find. One sold for $832 a couple of months ago . It was located about 30 minutes from home, but getting the UNICOS tapes is almost impossible. I don't have connections to an active Cray site to get "backups" of the OS tapes.

One of the guy's I purchased an Indigo R3000 XS24z from on Ebay, runs his older machines behind his Cray using the Cray as a gateway. It was really cool to log into telnet and get a UNICOS logon screen. From there you logged into the machine you wanted to check out. It was a "try-before-you-buy" experience.

Does God have computers? :)

Anyway, check this out...


2 SGI Indigo XS24
1 Cray (just kidding)

[Blackcube]

What version is your 128? Mine is the 128D, metal case, internal drive with detachable keyboard model. I've never used it in 128 or 64 mode. I boot it into CP/M and run CP/M wordstar and dBase. I used Wordstar on my first computer with a disk drive in 1977, so I still have a warm spot for it.

Also, which NeXT box and NS version do you have? Mine are a Turbo Dimension Cube, a 25mhz Dimension Cube and a Turbo Color slab. If you need access to OS disks, or some other software let me know. I am working on a site www.blackcube.org as a NeXT and Sgi support site. We (my company) just bought a pair of T1's for internat bandwidth. As soon as SBC turns them up, I can host my site at work. since I'm VPNed to the office, I can work on it from home, SSH you know.



2 Commodore 128


1 NeXT

[Blackcube]

>> 7 "other" Macintoshes
>>2 Vic-20
>>1 Coleco Adam
>>1 Timex Sinclair
>>1 AlphaMicro 100/L
>> 1 NeXT

>What are those like? I've heard you can compare
>them to a 386. But I've seen screen shots of the
>OS. It looks so nice. Probably the first machine I
>saw with a screen shot of the e-mailer! ;-)

>Don't get rid of this machine whatever you do! :-)

The original NeXT 25mhz machines are a little slow, but you are still running software that was designed for them. The NeXT gui and development environment is still one of the most elegant object oriented IDE's around. My Turbo Dimension Cube can still show 30fps video without missing a beat.[quote="CP/M User"

My Canon object.stations run the Intel flavor of NS and they really rock. They are probably 30% faster than the 68k NeXT's. They are a little harder to find. and are based on 486DX4-100 chips. My favorite machines in my colection are probably the NeXT's with the Sgi's a close second. Not even the Classic Mac OS has the smooth intergration of all applications that exists on the NeXT. Not to mention a smooth satin black cube of magnesium really looks cool when outfitted with the matching laser and inkjet printers, proper keyboard and mice, matching 21" color and 17" monochrome monitors in dual head.

[CP/M User]

"joecommodore" wrote in message:

>>> 2 Atari 400
>>> 1 Atari 600

>>I'm just wonderning about the Atari
>>600? Is that all that different from an
>>Atari 400 or is the keyboard more like
>>the 800?

>It is a modern 400 in general - looks
>like an 800XL but slightly smaller, has
>only a TV output (no monitor port). 2
>joysticks no parallel, etc.

Thanks.

>>> 1 Atari 800
>>> 1 Atari ST 512
>>> 1 Atari ST 1040

>>Well, there's no Atari XE in there. That's supposed to be
>>a nice machine. Unfortunately it feel victim to the Atari
>>when they decided to scrap it around a later year from
>>when it was released (if not it was a couple of months!)

>I had one of those too, pretty nice, had BASIC and Missile
>Command built-in. Detached keyboard was ultra cool too.

It's just a shame that Atari had other plans, but then they
always do, I mean it is as if they introduce their machines,
release 30-50 games for it, then expect everyone to
support them (well eventually they would, but it would nice
to at least establish their machine). I guess the Atari 2600
is one exception to the rule, but it was the whole concept
at the time which was very interesting for the home user.

>>for the Atari ST. I probably should have got the one I
>>saw, since they might be pretty rare now, but my folks
>>never really wanted me to collect old computers! :-(

>Was watching MTV's 'Cribs' recently and one pop star
>had an ST in their studio, so I guess for the music pro
>the ST isn't quite a dead platform yet.

No, I mean't the XE! You're twisting my sentences.

Cheers.

[CP/M User]

"Blackcube" wrote in message:

>>What are those like? I've heard you can compare
>>them to a 386. But I've seen screen shots of the
>>OS. It looks so nice. Probably the first machine I
>>saw with a screen shot of the e-mailer! ;-)

>>Don't get rid of this machine whatever you do! :-)

>The original NeXT 25mhz machines are a little slow,
>but you are still running software that was
>designed for them. The NeXT gui and development
>environment is still one of the most elegant object
>oriented IDE's around. My Turbo Dimension Cube
>can still show 30fps video without missing a beat.

>My Canon object.stations run the Intel flavor of NS
>and they really rock. They are probably 30%
>faster than the 68k NeXT's. They are a little harder
>to find. and are based on 486DX4-100 chips.
>My favorite machines in my colection are probably
>the NeXT's with the Sgi's a close second. Not even
>the Classic Mac OS has the smooth intergration of
>all applications that exists on the NeXT. Not to
>mention a smooth satin black cube of magnesium
>really looks cool when outfitted with the matching
>laser and inkjet printers, proper keyboard and mice,
>matching 21" color and 17" monochrome monitors
>in dual head.

Actually, I didn't know they made many variants of the
original NeXT machine, since I would have just
assumed that Steve Jobs designed it & wouldn't be
happy to hand the blue prints over (for a fee!) ;-)

Cheers.

[coimbrap]

Guys, aren't you talking about the 600XL, cause I sure never heard about any Atari 600
Go check this :
http://dasilva.charles.free.fr/8bits/600xl.htm
I've got one too and it's pretty easy to find in Europe, especially in Germany. So, it's more like a 800XL than a 400 (XL stands for eXtanded Line). The difference is that the Basic is now in ROM (apart from the look) and its 16K of RAM instead of 800XL's 48K (and later 64).

Pretty cool collection. Still, I don't see any Amstrad. So, you do not beat God, cause he sure has one :lol:

[slagambi]

Did you know that there was a Franklin 100 before the Franklin Ace 500. I know becuase I built it...............Now that would be on Gods List.......Very Nice Collection....... 8)

[Terry Yager]

God uses CP/M!

--T

[slagambi]

I need some advise............I put my Franklin and accessories up for sale on ebay 3 days ago. No bids...whats wrong...?????Everything is like new.....It has been in storage and kept in great condition. It also has historical value. Can someone tell me why...I am selling everything the orignal software, system (that works just like the day I got it), and the printer..Any suggestions..

slagambi

[slagambi]

Sorry here is the ebay link............

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2762198857&category=51046

slagambi

[Erik]

Slagambi,

My guess is that you're experiencing a bad combination of starting price, reserve and timing.

If you've set the reserve at a level you're comfortable with you should be fine. Either last minute bidders will grapple for the machine or you'll be able to re-list it.

I usually start bidding lower on this type of gear while keeping a reserve that I think is fair. That way you can get a few people to jump in early and maybe re-bid later if they get beaten before the end of the auction.

Another thing you should consider is getting better quality photos (and maybe descriptions) of the items should you re-list. Think of an eBay auction as a full-blown marketing effort and describe what you're selling accordingly. Use exciting words, clear and bright pictures and take advantage of HTML to spice up (but not overpower) the auction and you'll invariably do better.

Good luck!

Erik

[CP/M User]

"coimbrap" wrote in message:

> Guys, aren't you talking about the 600XL, cause
> I sure never heard about any Atari 600
> Go check this :

I'll take your word for it. Still I wasn't sure how
critical the XL bit was, but at least you knew what
I meant! ;-)

> I've got one too and it's pretty easy to find in
> Europe, especially in Germany. So, it's more
> like a 800XL than a 400 (XL stands for eXtanded
> Line). The difference is that the Basic is now in
> ROM (apart from the look) and its 16K of RAM
> instead of 800XL's 48K (and later 64).

Is that the 600 XL with 16k or the 400 XL?

> Pretty cool collection. Still, I don't see any
> Amstrad. So, you do not beat God, cause he sure
> has one LOL.

That's what I've been trying to say, but these other
people don't believe that Amstrad's should warrant
a mention! ;-) Heh!

Cheers.

[carlsson]

Is that the 600 XL with 16k or the 400 XL?
IIRC, there never was a 400 XL, only 600 XL, 800 XL and upwards. In the US, I think the 1200 XL and maybe even the 1400 XL were released, but not in Europe to my knowledge. Later, the 130 XE of course continued where the XL series ended.

There was a 260 ST, but only released in the US, and you see the numbering scheme behind 520 ST and 1040 ST...

[CP/M User]

"carlsson" wrote:

>> Is that the 600 XL with 16k or the 400 XL?

> IIRC, there never was a 400 XL, only
> 600 XL, 800 XL and upwards. In the
> US, I think the 1200 XL and maybe
> even the 1400 XL were released, but
> not in Europe to my knowledge. Later,
> the 130 XE of course continued where
> the XL series ended.

Well, I'm sorry, but I got the impression
that there was a 400 XL from you! Before
then I just knew it as the 400! ;-)

But I didn't realise that the 800 had XL
after it, since the book I have talks about
this Atari 800 & Atari 1200 XL. And
becuase I automatically assumed that the
800 was just a pain ol' 800, I thought that
may the 600 was!

> There was a 260 ST, but only released
> in the US, and you see the numbering
> scheme behind 520 ST and 1040 ST...

Don't the numbers in the ST represent
the amount of memory in them, so is it
260k, 520k & 1040k? Or is it something
else?

Cheers.

[carlsson]

(hmm.. now it would be nice with this user-level thread splitter)

First was the Atari 400 and 800, later came the 600XL and 800XL (so 800 exists in both XL and not).

[CP/M User]

"carlsson" wrote in message:

> (hmm.. now it would be nice with this
> user-level thread splitter)

> First was the Atari 400 and 800, later
> came the 600XL and 800XL (so 800
> exists in both XL and not).

Darn it!!

So my question is this, did the 1200XL
come out before the 800XL or after?

Cheers.

[carlsson]

According to this page, the 1200XL was introduced in January 1983, five months ahead of 600XL, 800XL and 1450XL (of which I thought was vaporware?):

http://oldcomputers.net/atari400.html

but on the other hand, they were not shipped until October 1983.

[CP/M User]

"carlsson" wrote:

> According to this page, the 1200XL was introduced
> in January 1983, five months ahead of 600XL,
> 800XL and 1450XL (of which I thought was
> vaporware?):

> http://oldcomputers.net/atari400.html

> but on the other hand, they were not shipped until
> October 1983.

Oh dear, Atari were certainally into making lots of
these machines. Followed my the short lived XE
series.

Merry Christmas.

[Micom 2000]

No you don't and yes " I " do have computers. :lol:

Does God have computers? :)
> Anyway, check this out...

> 6 TI-99/4A

Just one

> 5 Commodore 64 (Including Serial Number 00001012!)

6 ,all the colors

> 2 Commodore 128

1 each 128, 128D, 128LC
1 Commodore PC20 lll
1 Commodore 386LT

> 1 Amiga 1000

2 Amiga 1000
1 Amiga 2000
1 Amiga 3000

> 1 Amiga 500
> 2 Atari 400

1 Atari 400

> 1 Atari 600
> 1 Atari 800

1 Atari 800
2 Atari 800SL
1 Atari 130XE
1 Atari XEGS
1 Atari "Heavy" 2600
1 Atari 2600 JR

> 1 Atari ST 512
> 1 Atari ST 1040

1 Atari STM
1 Atari 512
1Atari STFM
4 Atari STF
1 Atari Mega4

> 1 TRS-80 Model 3

1 TRS-80 Model 2 w/3 0f the huge 5meg HDs
1 TRS CoCo
2 TRS CoCo m.2
1 TRS CoCo m.3

> 2 Apple ][+

1 Apple ][ +

> 2 Apple IIe

2 Beige Apple ][e
1 Platinum
1 Apple GS

> 3 Apple //c
> 1 Original 128K Macintosh
> 7 "other" Macintoshes

1 512 with HD card
1 Mac+
1 Mac SE
1 Mac SE30
2 Mac 11c
1 Mac LClll
1 Power Mac 7100
1 Mac LT 140

> 2 Vic-20

3 Vic-20

> 1 Coleco Adam

1 Coleco Adam w/Intelevision mounting module

> 1 Timex Sinclair
1 AlphaMicro 100/L

> 1 NeXT

1 NeXT color slab

> 1 Sun 386i
> 1 Sun 3/60
> 1 Sun 3/80
>2 SGI Indigo XS24
>1 Cray (just kidding)

Now the hard part. To remember the others without your prompts.

My gem. The Micom 2000 (put into production 1 year before Apple1)
Sold 1000 units that year.
1 Volker-Craig 404 terminal
1 Epson H-10
1 Z/H 89
1 Zenith 161 luggable w/the popup fdds
1 KayPro ll luggable
1 Kaypro 2X luggable
1 Osborne I luggable
1 Compaq 286 sewing-machine sized, red plasma screen
1 1640 Amstrad HD
1 Phillips P3105 w/ 760k base memory
1 DEC Pro 350
1 DEC RainbowA+
2 Grid 1520 LTs
1 Grid 1450 LT
1 Nec 286 ProSpeed LT
! Sharp 3k handheld
some other LTs
1 IBM PC
1 IBM PC w/ the Intel 386 upgrade
1 IBM XT
1 !BM AT w/ EGA
2 IBM jr
1 IBM 2011 allin-one
3 IBM 8580
1 IBM 8560
and most of the other PS2s and several PS1s

Other XT, AT and 386 clones of special merit,
And of course numerous Mono, CGA, EGA and
NEC multi-sync monitors , cards and accessories.
And some other game machines and a multitude
of cartridges and software. Most are functioning.

Obviously no longer married. I only started out to
collect a few Atari's. :(

I was on the Classiccmp list for years but it has gotten too
mini-centric and too large.


> Not too shabby, eh? We're working on more on a regular basis... which > we then also turn into cool T-shirts, but we're hoping one day to get all > these puppies accessible on the net.

> Check out our shirts if you're interested. http://www.retrohacker.com

Damn Eric, Doing manual quotes indents is a pain. This thread did force me to catalogue my collection tho, even if I missed a few.

[Erik]

ROFL.

I never realized this was a competetive hobby! :D

At least it's not full contact.

Erik

[Micom 2000]

ROFL.

I never realized this was a competetive hobby! :D

At least it's not full contact.

Erik

Well after being in a forum with Sellam and john Keyes jr, not
to mention some of the other power collectors, here I don't feel
like a piker. :)

[Micom 2000]

ROFL.

I never realized this was a competetive hobby! :D

At least it's not full contact.

Erik

Take that you Apple 1, Altair, PdP/8, Imsai, snobs.
Always regret not buying that ENIAC. And now in my retirement years.
Vintage EPay has to go into a down-spin. @!$#!$

[CP/M User]

"Erik" wrote:

> ROFL.

> I never realized this was a competetive
> hobby! :D

Here's a rumor to start, apparently all those
machines are backups in case anything goes
wrong ;-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.