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[Terry Yager]

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--T

[CP/M User]

"Terry Yager" wrote:

> I am RumorControl. From now
> on all rumors, propaganda,
> dis-information, misinformation,
> counter-propaganda, etc. "must"
> be filtered thru me for (de-)
> authentication before being
> distributed.

Excuse me?

CP/M User.

[Terry Yager]

Excuse me?

CP/M User.

Hey, CP/MU...where ya been? You haven't posted here for over 24 hours. I was begining to suffer from withdrawl...

--T

[CP/M User]

"Terry Yager" wrote:

>> Excuse me?

> Hey, CP/MU...where ya been?
> You haven't posted here for
> over "24 hours". I was
> begining to suffer from
> withdrawl...

HEH! Generally I show up when
people reply to the threads I
follow (but obviously there's
nothing to report there! :-).
And since that hasn't been
happening, I forgot about
you's! :-)

Also, while I'm into the weekend,
weekends are usually busy for
me! :-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

[Terry Yager]

<other excuses snipped>

Also, while I'm into the weekend,
weekends are usually busy for
me! :-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

That's ok, I was just concerned that you might have fallen off yr chair laughing at some webpage, broke your hip, and couldn't summon the strength to drag yourself to the keyboard and flip the big red switch.

--T

[CP/M User]

"Terry Yager" wrote:

> <other excuses snipped>

I'm making up excuses now! :-)

> That's ok, I was just concerned that you
> might have fallen off yr chair laughing
> at some webpage, broke your hip, and
> couldn't summon the strength to drag
> yourself to the keyboard and flip the big
> red switch.

I can look after myself! ;-)

CP/M User.

[CP/M User]

"CP/M User" wrote:

>> <other excuses snipped>

> I'm making up excuses now! :-)

Oh my ISP also ran out yesturday
& I had to go down to the newsagent
to get some more.

I would have been on yesturday
morning, only my ISP had ran out
by then. It wasn't until the afternoon
until I could get some!

CP/M User.

[carlsson]

Oh my ISP also ran out yesturday & I had to go down to the newsagent to get some more.
Your newsagent is your ISP? That's almost cute in its retroness.

-"Sorry, we run out of HTTP headers, but we could offer you the Daily Whatever for 75% of the regular price. Would you like a package of chocolate cigars to go with that?"

[CP/M User]

"carlsson" wrote:

>> Oh my ISP also ran out yesturday &
>> I had to go down to the newsagent to
>> get some more.

> Your newsagent is your ISP? That's
> almost cute in its retroness.

Sorry, I should explain. My newsagent isn't
my actual ISP, however, I can go there &
purpose top-ups. They have this machine
which hooks up to my ISP & produces a
slip for which I can top-up my account.

> "Sorry, we run out of HTTP headers, but
> we could offer you the Daily Whatever for
> 75% of the regular price. Would you like
> a package of chocolate cigars to go with
> that?"

HEH! That will perhaps be a statement to save
for the future.

It's funny though, one day around 20 years
ago, when I was the passenger in a moving
car going under a railway bridge I invisioned
that one day there will be bridges with shops
in. You know what, I wasn't far off with that
idea, someone pinched it & nowadays along
the "same" stretch of road (that we were going
down 20 years ago), this is what they did when
they extended the shopping centre down the
road to go over the Highway. Driving under
the bridge, you can see shops as you're going
though the tunnel. That was my idea!!, though
while it's not quite at the area where I invisioned
this shop within this railway bridge, I wasn't
far off! ;-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

[Terry Yager]

"carlsson" wrote:

> Your newsagent is your ISP? That's
> almost cute in its retroness.



Whaaaa...? I get all of my news thru my ISP. Why, is there a better way?



> "Sorry, we run out of HTTP headers, but
> we could offer you the Daily Whatever for
> 75% of the regular price. Would you like
> a package of chocolate cigars to go with
> that?"

HEH! That will perhaps be a statement to save
for the future.

Cheers,
CP/M User.

The future is here now. This has already happened. InterNIC was running out of IP addresses in the original 7 TopLevelDomains, that's why they had to add a few more (.biz, etc).

--T

[CP/M User]

"Terry Yager" wrote:

>> Your newsagent is your ISP? That's
>> almost cute in its retroness.

> Whaaaa...? I get all of my news thru
> my ISP. Why, is there a better way?

You've missed the point Terry. I said
that I only go to my Newsagent to get
ISP top-ups. It is "NOT" the Newsagent
which provides the Internet Service
that's Optus'es Job! I can get this
service if I went to Optus Shop, but it
was more convient to get it at the
Newsagent at the time (because it's
closer to get to).

Cheers,
CP/M User.

[Terry Yager]

You've missed the point Terry. I said
that I only go to my Newsagent to get
ISP top-ups. It is "NOT" the Newsagent
which provides the Internet Service
that's Optus'es Job! I can get this
service if I went to Optus Shop, but it
was more convient to get it at the
Newsagent at the time (because it's
closer to get to).

Cheers,
CP/M User.

Oh, convenience, eh? So you can get I-net time from more than one vendor? (I look forward to the day when we will be able to purchase net privileges from common vending machines on every corner (kinda like ATM machines are now).

--T

[CP/M User]

"Terry Yager" wrote:

> Oh, convenience, eh? So you can get I-net
> time from more than one vendor? (I look
> forward to the day when we will be able to
> purchase net privileges from common
> vending machines on every corner (kinda
> like ATM machines are now).

Why would you think that, when there are so
many different options around.

Look at this for example, I choose not to use
EFTPOS (even though it's a service I could use
instead of going to an ATM), because everytime
it does it's transaction thing I get slug for using
it. Sure it's convient, but it's not pretty sight
when you get your bank statement & it comes
up with 100 withdrawls on EFTPOS at 70c. That's
70 bucks! :-( But the banks don't care, cause
they make the money from this!

Instead it's better to withdrawl large amounts
of money (if you can), hence reducing the
usage on your account.

Sure I'm lazy & go to the nearest convience,
but I'm also a money saver! ;-)

What's the issue here?

CP/M User.

[Terry Yager]

You've missed the point Terry.

Cheers,
CP/M User.

Yes, and I think I see the source of the mis-communication. It's the term "newsagent" that is kinda confusing to a yank. It's a term we don't use over here. AAMOF, I'm not even sure I understand your meaning of the word. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is newsagent a shop where they sell newspapers, magazines and such related items, and/or the person who operates such a shop? In the good ol' USA, we call that place a "newsstand", usually, and the person behind the counter is a "newsman" (or newsperson, depending on how P.C. you are).

--T

[Terry Yager]

You've missed the point Terry. I said
that I only go to my Newsagent to get
ISP top-ups. It is "NOT" the Newsagent
which provides the Internet Service
that's Optus'es Job! I can get this
service if I went to Optus Shop, but it
was more convient to get it at the
Newsagent at the time (because it's
closer to get to).

Cheers,
CP/M User.

That all sounds very different from the way things are done here, that's all.

--T

[CP/M User]

"Terry Yager" wrote:

> Yes, and I think I see the source of
> the mis-communication. It's the
> term "newsagent" that is kinda
> confusing to a yank.

Sorry, I though the term "newsagent"
was excepted world-wide, they used
it in the UK (or so they used to) & I
guess we Aussies picked up on it.

> It's a term we don't use over here.
> AAMOF, I'm not even sure I
> understand your meaning of the
> word. Correct me if I'm wrong, but
> is newsagent a shop where they sell
> newspapers, magazines and such
> related items, and/or the person
> who operates such a shop? In the
> good ol' USA, we call that place a
> "newsstand", usually, and the person
> behind the counter is a "newsman"
> (or newsperson, depending on how
> P.C. you are).

Yes, you're on the right track, but I'm
not sure how you mean News Stand.
Down here, we have News Stands,
but basically they are a smaller version
of a Newsagent, where in you have this
person in a small booth on the street
selling Magazines, Newspapers, Sweets
etc.

Normally you'd go a news stand here if
your after the daily paper, or a popular
magazine which sells a few copies. A
Newsagent is like a News Stand, only
bigger. You'd walk into a whole shop &
in there is a large variety of everything.
Some are bigger than others too &
usually you can get things like School
stuff, Calculators, Pens, Pencils, A Rule.

Some Newsagents are smaller, however
they remain as Newsagents so long as
you can walk into their store off the
street. Like a News Stand they too have
all the popular stuff & unlike them,
there's a wider range of magazines,
papers (a really good Newsagent will
have Newspapers from around the
world! ;-)

Going by what you're saying, a Newsman
would be equalivant to our News Stand &
your News Stand is to our Newsagent! ;-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

[CP/M User]

"Terry Yager" wrote:

> That all sounds very different from the
> way things are done here, that's all.

Sorry Terry, that Newsagent thing will
be getting in the way. To make it
sound more familiar, I get my ISP from
a Newsstand! :-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

[carlsson]

My newsagent isn't my actual ISP, however, I can go there & purpose top-ups. They have this machine which hooks up to my ISP & produces a slip for which I can top-up my account.

Ok, I kind of understood that. Still it seems nice that you can load your ISP just like you would load your pre-paid telephone card in the shop. We have pre-paid mobiles here which you can load in that way, but not any *DSL or other ISP as far as I know.

[CP/M User]

"carlsson" wrote:

> Ok, I kind of understood that. Still it seems
> nice that you can load your ISP just like
> you would load your pre-paid telephone
> card in the shop. We have pre-paid mobiles
> here which you can load in that way, but not
> any *DSL or other ISP as far as I know.

Okay, so you don't quite understand Pre-Paid
Internet Access. It's just like a Pre-Paid Mobiles
except it's Internet. You get so many hours or
so much time to use it, the price varies
depending on how much you want or how much
time you can use it in.

Whenever I visit the Internet Dealer or the
Newsagent (or Newsstand depending on what
suits! ;-) I get a little slip of paper which has
the codes which you enter (under your account)
which re-activates it in relation to the account
brought.

Cheers,
CP/M User.

[Terry Yager]

My newsagent isn't my actual ISP, however, I can go there & purpose top-ups. They have this machine which hooks up to my ISP & produces a slip for which I can top-up my account.

Ok, I kind of understood that. Still it seems nice that you can load your ISP just like you would load your pre-paid telephone card in the shop. We have pre-paid mobiles here which you can load in that way, but not any *DSL or other ISP as far as I know.

Same way as here, although the Aussie method does sound convenient.

--T

[Terry Yager]

Going by what you're saying, a Newsman
would be equalivant to our News Stand &
your News Stand is to our Newsagent! ;-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

We have the corner booth type of newsstand here, too, but sometimes they are contained in a small building. We still call the building a newsstand. Then there are bookstores, which usually are larger than a newsstand, but still stock a full line of periodicals as well as the obvious, books. Many of these establishments are pretty elaborate, with everything from office supplies to candies, etc. Some have small cafes in-store, too.

--T

[Terry Yager]

"carlsson" wrote:

> Ok, I kind of understood that. Still it seems
> nice that you can load your ISP just like
> you would load your pre-paid telephone
> card in the shop. We have pre-paid mobiles
> here which you can load in that way, but not
> any *DSL or other ISP as far as I know.

Okay, so you don't quite understand Pre-Paid
Internet Access. It's just like a Pre-Paid Mobiles
except it's Internet. You get so many hours or
so much time to use it, the price varies
depending on how much you want or how much
time you can use it in.

Whenever I visit the Internet Dealer or the
Newsagent (or Newsstand depending on what
suits! ;-) I get a little slip of paper which has
the codes which you enter (under your account)
which re-activates it in relation to the account
brought.

Cheers,
CP/M User.

Over here, we usually pay for our ISP on a per-month basis, with unlimited on-line time included in the monthly fee. The Aussie method still sounds like it could be handled by a vending machine, where you just walk up, slip in a fiver, key in your email address (or whatever ID) on a keypad, and out pops the little piece of paper with the codes on it, so you're good for another month. (Hmmmmnn...I should patent that idea, but I prolly won't, being the procrastinator that I am). Just remember, when you do start to see I-net vending machines on every street-corner, it was my idea first! We already do have a similar concept with our celular service, except that the machine is in the phone co. office. When we go to pay our cell bill, the clerk does not wait on us, we just go over to the machine and it handles the transaction, billing to a credit card or whatever, instead of inserting money. How far removed is that from an actual vending machine tho?
BTW, do you have self-serve supermarkets, department stores, etc. where you are? Over here the latest thing is the self-scan isle, where you go and scan your own groceries, paying for them with a c.c. Kinda works on the honor system, where they just trust that you'll scan everything before leaving the store and not rip them off.

--T

[carlsson]

Self-serve supermarkets have reached Sweden too, but there is someone at the counter to receive the cash or card. Randomly the computer will redirect you to a traditional counter where every item is scanned and compared with your handheld unit.

This ain't funny anymore, is it?

[Terry Yager]

Self-serve supermarkets have reached Sweden too, but there is someone at the counter to receive the cash or card. Randomly the computer will redirect you to a traditional counter where every item is scanned and compared with your handheld unit.



I dunno, I get thinking mebbe they're not as trusting as I thought. They prob'ly have a camera trained on the scan isle, with someone in an office somewhere monitoring for "suspicious" activity. (Big Brother?)



This ain't funny anymore, is it?

Not much...

--T

[Terry Yager]

Just for laughs, I looked it up on the net. Only found one definition, which is kinda vague:

http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn?stage=1&word=newsagent

--T

[CP/M User]

"Terry Yager" wrote:

> Over here, we usually pay for our ISP
> on a per-month basis, with unlimited
> on-line time included in the monthly fee.
> The Aussie method still sounds like it
> could be handled by a vending machine,
> where you just walk up, slip in a fiver,
> key in your email address (or whatever
> ID) on a keypad, and out pops the little
> piece of paper with the codes on it, so
> you're good for another month.
> (Hmmmmnn...I "should" patent that idea,
> but I prolly won't, being the procrastinator
> that I am). Just remember, when you do
> start to see I-net vending machines on
> every street-corner, it was my idea first!
> We already do have a similar concept
> with our celular service, except that the
> machine is in the phone co. office. When
> we go to pay our cell bill, the clerk does
> not wait on us, we just go over to the
> machine and it handles the transaction,
> billing to a credit card or whatever,
> instead of inserting money. How far
> removed is that from an actual vending
> machine tho?

Err? No it's lot quite like that. But I like the
idea of seeing a ATM based machine (in
frount of a place which offers Pre-Paid
Internet) where you stick your bank card
in & select which plan you want & then it
comes out with the codes for the access! :-)

We should go one step further though &
scrap bank cards & have the machines do
eye scans or finger print analysis (but the
only thing stopping it are people who watch
too many movies & would believe that
anyone would cut your finger off or rip
your head off or something).

> BTW, do you have self-serve
> supermarkets, department stores, etc.
> where you are? Over here the latest thing
> is the self-scan isle, where you go and
> scan your own groceries, paying for them
> with a c.c. Kinda works on the honor
> system, where they just trust that you'll
> scan everything before leaving the store
> and not rip them off.

No we don't, although I can't say since I'm
main supermarket shopper, but when I've
been there, I haven't see any do-it-yerself
service! Some supermarkets maybe
different, for instance some (like Aldi - or
something) are foreign owned & may have
that kind of service, but I tend to support
the local businesses! Sorry, but I believe
if everyone supported their local business,
then there wouldn't need to be foreign
companies running in other countries.

Cheers,
CP/M User.

[Terry Yager]

Err? No it's lot quite like that. But I like the
idea of seeing a ATM based machine (in
frount of a place which offers Pre-Paid
Internet) where you stick your bank card
in & select which plan you want & then it
comes out with the codes for the access! :-)

We should go one step further though &
scrap bank cards & have the machines do
eye scans or finger print analysis (but the
only thing stopping it are people who watch
too many movies & would believe that
anyone would cut your finger off or rip
your head off or something).



We could even do away with folding money completely, and everyone get a chip implanted in thier arm or somewhere. Then we'd just walk up to a machine, jack-in and pay all our bills at once. Why, we wouldn't even need to go out to a machine. The jack could be placed right inside the home (on the back of the computer, or somehow tied into the TV cable?). Nah! Wouldn't work... too many people would balk at such a system (BigBrother, 666 or whatever).



No we don't, although I can't say since I'm
main supermarket shopper, but when I've
been there, I haven't see any do-it-yerself
service! Some supermarkets maybe
different, for instance some (like Aldi - or
something) are foreign owned & may have
that kind of service, but I tend to support
the local businesses! Sorry, but I believe
if everyone supported their local business,
then there wouldn't need to be foreign
companies running in other countries.

Cheers,
CP/M User.

Heh! Is Aldi an American company? I know we have them here, and I shop there regularly because they are the cheapest place in town. (I'm on disability, and don't have much money coming in so I have to watch every penny. I can't afford the luxury of only shopping local businesses, which are generaly more expensive). Aldi is kinda small, so they don't have a whole big selection to choose from, but I can usually cover the basics there, and shop elsewhere for what they don't stock. The most remarkable thing about thier stores is the way they handle thier shopping karts. When you go into the store, you find all the karts neatly stacked together, not scattered all over the parking lot. The reason for this is that each kart has a little chain attached to it, which is connected to the next kart. To release the chain you have to insert a quarter into the lock. When you finish with the kart, you bring it back to where you got it from and re-connect the chain, which then releases your quarter. I think it's a pretty neat idea. The store doesn't have to hire extra help to chase all over the parking lot all day retrieving lost karts. They can pass the savings on to thier customers in the form of lower prices.

--T

[CP/M User]

"Terry Yager" wrote:

> We could even do away with folding money
> completely, and everyone get a chip
> implanted in thier arm or somewhere. Then
> we'd just walk up to a machine, jack-in and
> pay all our bills at once. Why, we wouldn't
> even need to go out to a machine. The jack
> could be placed right inside the home (on the
> back of the computer, or somehow tied into
> the TV cable?). Nah! Wouldn't work... too
> many people would balk at such a system
> (BigBrother, 666 or whatever).

Err? I don't like the idea of getting rid of folding
money all together. Because for me it's the best
way of spending cash & not get slugged for
whatever technology it takes to get the money
out in some form. Which is why I'm against new
technologies comming in, because it's just
another way of creating an expense.

> Heh! Is Aldi an American company?

Actually, Aldi there supposed to be German,
or so I was told. Nothing to do with the car
anyway.

> I know we have them here, and I shop there
> regularly because they are the cheapest
> place in town.

That might be okay in a place like America
where you're a big a powerful country. But
in little Ol' Australia the small businesses (&
now the bigger places like local supermarkets)
are under the hammer with foreign companies
comming in & taking over. It's like Virgin airlines
I think people think they're local, but their not &
while Richard Branson may like us, I knew from
the get go, they would be around for some time
since Virgin are a big company from Europe.

Unfortunately, our local businesses & lcoal
inventions have been sold to other countries,
which there've been making huge amounts of
money off. The only reason they were sold (IMO)
was to give us some money! :-(

> (I'm on disability, and don't have much money
> coming in so I have to watch every penny. I
> can't afford the luxury of only shopping local
> businesses, which are generaly more expensive).

Generally that's the way & basically if the foreign
companys get their way, they'll be around for a
lot longer & the locals will start to disappear,
Unfortunately.

> Aldi is kinda small, so they don't have a whole big
> selection to choose from, but I can usually cover
> the basics there, and shop elsewhere for what
> they don't stock. The most remarkable thing
> about thier stores is the way they handle thier
> shopping karts. When you go into the store, you
> find all the karts neatly stacked together, not
> scattered all over the parking lot. The reason for
> this is that each kart has a little chain attached to
> it, which is connected to the next kart. To release
> the chain you have to insert a quarter into the
> lock. When you finish with the kart, you bring it
> back to where you got it from and re-connect the
> chain, which then releases your quarter. I think
> it's a pretty neat idea. The store doesn't have to
> hire extra help to chase all over the parking lot
> all day retrieving lost karts. They can pass the
> savings on to thier customers in the form of lower
> prices.

We had a thing going a long time back where you'd
have to stick some money in order to get a trolly.
It's since gone though (unless it's just one or two
supermarkets here which do it). One of the locals
did this & threatened to sue the others if they did
the same thing (or so it seems)! :-(

CP/M User.

[Terry Yager]

Err? I don't like the idea of getting rid of folding
money all together.
Yeah, and then the muggers would have to cut your arm off to rob you, rather than simply taking your wallet. (I can picture a future with a lot of one-armed people walking about).

Because for me it's the best
way of spending cash & not get slugged for
whatever technology it takes to get the money
out in some form.
Actually, automation is generally cheaper than human resources, isn't it?

Which is why I'm against new
technologies comming in, because it's just
another way of creating an expense.

Face it, we're just hopeless luddites here.



Actually, Aldi there supposed to be German,
or so I was told. Nothing to do with the car
anyway.

Oh, so I'm really not supporting my local business...


That might be okay in a place like America
where you're a big a powerful country. But
in little Ol' Australia the small businesses (&
now the bigger places like local supermarkets)
are under the hammer with foreign companies
comming in & taking over. It's like Virgin airlines
I think people think they're local, but their not &
while Richard Branson may like us, I knew from
the get go, they would be around for some time
since Virgin are a big company from Europe.

Unfortunately, our local businesses & lcoal
inventions have been sold to other countries,
which there've been making huge amounts of
money off. The only reason they were sold (IMO)
was to give us some money! :-(


Even the American econmy has been largely "hi-jacked" by foreign interests. (Some here think Japan's goal is to totaly pwn America in revenge for nuking them in WWII).




Generally that's the way & basically if the foreign
companys get their way, they'll be around for a
lot longer & the locals will start to disappear,
Unfortunately.

Yes, a lot of major American companies have already been swallowed up by off-shore interests.



We had a thing going a long time back where you'd
have to stick some money in order to get a trolly.
It's since gone though (unless it's just one or two
supermarkets here which do it). One of the locals
did this & threatened to sue the others if they did
the same thing (or so it seems)! :-(

CP/M User.

I dunno, every lil bit helps if it can keep prices down.

--T

[CP/M User]

"Terry Yager" wrote:

> Yeah, and then the muggers would have to cut
> your arm off to rob you, rather than simply
> taking your wallet. (I can picture a future with
> a lot of one-armed people walking about).

Well, it's one thing I don't see happening. But it
could easily be as simple as some ol' person
being controled & force to give over money in
some form.

>> Because for me it's the best
>> way of spending cash & not get slugged for
>> whatever technology it takes to get the money
>> out in some form.

> Actually, automation is generally cheaper than
> human resources, isn't it?

Perhaps, but the cost we have to go through (just
so the bank can make a buck) is unbelievable.

It's all about getting your money, from using some
convient service.

>> Which is why I'm against new
>> technologies comming in, because it's just
>> another way of creating an expense.

> Face it, we're just hopeless luddites here.

Luddites? Unfortunately, I can't find my dictionary
to check that one out.

All I can say is with every piece of technology
which comes into our world, there's some catch
or snag which sees somebody else putting some
dollar value to it, by changing the rules!

>> Actually, Aldi there supposed to be German,
>> or so I was told. Nothing to do with the car
>> anyway.

> Oh, so I'm "really" not supporting my local
> business...

Well that depends, but on the plus it's good as a
constomer! ;-)

But then I'm not fully supporting local business
all the time either, so we're all guilty in some
shape or form, unless you're plain nuts & are
so consenous of such things! :-)

>> That might be okay in a place like America
>> where you're a big a powerful country. But
>> in little Ol' Australia the small businesses (&
>> now the bigger places like local supermarkets)
>> are under the hammer with foreign companies
>> comming in & taking over. It's like Virgin airlines
>> I think people think they're local, but their not &
>> while Richard Branson may like us, I knew from
>> the get go, they would be around for some time
>> since Virgin are a big company from Europe.

>> Unfortunately, our local businesses & lcoal
>> inventions have been sold to other countries,
>> which there've been making huge amounts of
>> money off. The only reason they were sold (IMO)
>> was to give us some money! :-(

> Even the American econmy has been largely
> "hi-jacked" by foreign interests. (Some here think
> Japan's goal is to totaly "pwn" America in
> revenge for nuking them in WWII).

We get it here too, particularly with cars!

>> Generally that's the way & basically if the foreign
>> companys get their way, they'll be around for a
>> lot longer & the locals will start to disappear,
>> Unfortunately.

> Yes, a lot of "major" American companies have
> already been swallowed up by off-shore
> interests.

>> We had a thing going a long time back where you'd
>> have to stick some money in order to get a trolly.
>> It's since gone though (unless it's just one or two
>> supermarkets here which do it). One of the locals
>> did this & threatened to sue the others if they did
>> the same thing (or so it seems)! :-(

> I dunno, every lil bit helps if it can keep prices down.

HEH! :-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

[Terry Yager]

"Terry Yager" wrote:

> Yeah, and then the muggers would have to cut
> your arm off to rob you, rather than simply
> taking your wallet. (I can picture a future with
> a lot of one-armed people walking about).

Well, it's one thing I don't see happening. But it
could easily be as simple as some ol' person
being controled & force to give over money in
some form.


Yeah, I guess if somebody was twisting my left arm, they could easily convince me to scan my right.



Perhaps, but the cost we have to go through (just
so the bank can make a buck) is unbelievable.

It's all about getting your money, from using some
convient service.

I know, it's a racket. They're going to get our money, one way or another.



> Face it, we're just hopeless luddites here.

Luddites? Unfortunately, I can't find my dictionary
to check that one out.

All I can say is with every piece of technology
which comes into our world, there's some catch
or snag which sees somebody else putting some
dollar value to it, by changing the rules!


define:luddite:

One who is opposed to technological change--from a group of 19th century English workmen who destroyed laborsaving weaving machinery in a revolt
www.qcc.mass.edu/booth/142/142gloss.html


any opponent of technological progress
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn


one of the 19th century English workmen who destroyed labor-saving machinery that they thought would cause unemployment
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn



Well that depends, but on the plus it's good as a
constomer! ;-)

But then I'm not fully supporting local business
all the time either, so we're all guilty in some
shape or form, unless you're plain nuts & are
so consenous of such things! :-)

I guess we just do what we gotta do...


> Even the American econmy has been largely
> "hi-jacked" by foreign interests. (Some here think
> Japan's goal is to totaly "pwn" America in
> revenge for nuking them in WWII).

We get it here too, particularly with cars!

>> Generally that's the way & basically if the foreign
>> companys get their way, they'll be around for a
>> lot longer & the locals will start to disappear,
>> Unfortunately.


The "big three" car companies over here (GM, Ford & Chrysler) are all partly foreign owned now. Japan and Germany are going to be a part of our economy for a long time to come.

HEH! :-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

--T

[carlsson]

define:luddite:
One who is opposed to technological change--from a group of 19th century English workmen who destroyed laborsaving weaving machinery in a revolt.
I know a computer club called LUDD, so anyone being a member of that one could be said to be a LUDD-ite. :lol: I believe they chose the name partitially on purpose.

[CP/M User]

"carlsson" wrote:

> I know a computer club called LUDD, so
> anyone being a member of that one
> could be said to be a LUDD-ite. :lol: I
> believe they chose the name partitially
> on purpose.

Sounds interesting, unfortunately I don't
know what a large increase of members
would bring. Strikes, Protests, Violence,
Something else.

After reading Terry's comments, then it's
clear that I'm a Luddite! :-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

[Terry Yager]

After reading Terry's comments, then it's
clear that I'm a Luddite! :-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

Hey, ain't we all?

--T

[CP/M User]

"Terry Yager" wrote:

>> After reading Terry's comments, then it's
>> clear that I'm a Luddite! :-)

> Hey, ain't we all?

If you speaking about this group of people in
it, then no I have comed across some people
who love vintage computing, but still play
around with the modern stuff (maybe not
because they have to). But anyway! :-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.