People who do not leave feedback on ebay

[vic user]

Well maybe I am being picky, but it does drive me nuts when people do not leave feedback, especially when I am the buyer and they are the seller, and I have already left feedback.

The way I look at it, the seller should be the first one to leave feedback, as they are the ones that get their end of the transaction finished first.

I don't care that some of the sellers are doing tons of business. If they can put in the time to list the items, and respond to questions etc.., they can also find the time to leave feedback.

I have now changed my tactics, and when I have received an item and have not received feedback from the seller, I send them this little e-mail:

"Hi;

I would like to leave you feedback, however you did not leave feedback for me.

If you wish me to leave feedback, please fill out the feedback form for the auction item I purchased from you, and once I see that you have left feedback, I will do the same for you.

Thanks in advance, and good luck with all of your other auction items!
Chris"

Hopefully this will get me some more points.

Chris

[Erik]

My eBay feedback rating is north of 150 but it should be more then double that.

I leave feedback for every auction I am involved in (buyer or seller) but only get about half returned.

I just look at it as the way it is.

Hopefully your tactic will help!

Erik

[vic user]

Man, you are a trooper, for sending feedback regardless!

Imagine if everyone was like you!

Chris

[barryp]

Well maybe I am being picky, but it does drive me nuts when people do not leave feedback, especially when I am the buyer and they are the seller, and I have already left feedback.

The way I look at it, the seller should be the first one to leave feedback, as they are the ones that get their end of the transaction finished first.

When I am the seller, I (almost) always leave positive feedback when I get the payment, as long as it's prompt and accurate. The way I see it, that's the buyers' only obligation.

When I'm buying, I'm a little more picky.

I have left a few negatives but they're rare, I don't think I've ever left a neutral, I see no sense in that.

I have used other auction sites but prefer eBay by far.

[hwhall]

How many feedbacks do you have thus far? As an eBay buyer, if I see around 50 or more postives for someone, and they aren't ancient history, I feel good about it. I'd bet that most people don't have to see hundreds or thousands or feedbacks to feel assured that you are an honest trader. I'm at just over 200 feedbacks, 100% positives, and I've quit bugging folks for feedback if they forget. I do, however, make a point of sending feedback. Some of the larger volume sellers, I've noticed, can be slow with returning feedbacks.
--Wayne

[barryp]

How many feedbacks do you have thus far?

Right now, I'm at 192. I have one negative which was undeserved.

(I mailed his item and left town. When I returned the USPS had returned the box to me marked "No such address" and he'd given me the negative. He confirmed that the address was right and sent money for another shipment. I sent the original box in another box so he could see that I'd sent it to his new address. He agreed that I was honest but I still have the negative.) :evil:

[hwhall]

Too bad about the one negative. I'm not sure, but think he might have been able to post a followup to clear it up, though. Its probably too late now, though. Just the one, especially if it was a while back, probably isn't going to hurt you. It wouldn't concern me, if I were bidding. --Wayne

[A1239872]

I am a buy/seller at the same time, I think that buyers should leave their feedbacks first. Since there's occasionally some guy that leaves a bad feedback for no reason. I guess that's why most seller prefers buyer to leave feedbacks first. So he/she doesn't get backstabbed after leaving a person a good feedbacks. :D I've seen this happend too many time... :twisted:

[Terry Yager]

I left my first-ever negative feedback for a deadbeat bidder who never contacted me in spite of sending him multiple requests. I just check my own feedback and found that the dirty little bastard has left me my first-ever negative, in retaliation for my trouble. Some people are just plain st00pit!

--T

[A1239872]

agreed... :)

[carlsson]

So, he didn't respond to your requests, but was quick to respond to your feedback. Interesting.

[Terry Yager]

So, he didn't respond to your requests, but was quick to respond to your feedback. Interesting.

Exactly! I think it's a form of trolling. Aquire negative feedback to give you the opportunity to ruin someone else's reputation.

--T

[vic user]

A1239872 wrote:
I am a buy/seller at the same time, I think that buyers should leave their feedbacks first. Since there's occasionally some guy that leaves a bad feedback for no reason. I guess that's why most seller prefers buyer to leave feedbacks first. So he/she doesn't get backstabbed after leaving a person a good feedbacks. I've seen this happend too many time...

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I disagree. If the seller has received the buyer's payment, and everything has gone well, then that is when the seller should leave feedback. The buyer has done their part.

The buyer should leave feedbak when they receive the item, as the seller has now done their part.

Far, far, too many times, the seller just collects the feedback from buyers, and do not leave feedback for the buyers.

laziness? being rude? self centered?

Drives me nuts.

chris
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[carlsson]

Forgive me for not participating in eBay-like business, but in the best of worlds, shouldn't the feedback system really only be used for unexpectingly good or bad happenings? I mean, it should suffice to have four counters:

* number of opened trades as seller (auction closed, bidder accepted)
* number of closed trades as seller (bidder paid, item received)
* number of opened trades as buyer (see above)
* number of closed trades as buyer (ditto)

and then feedback for all the cases where something was extra successful or went wrong. Since everyone today are "supposed" to give positive feedback as soon as the trade works out like expected, even a neutral one is seen as an insult.

From the outside it reminds me of the way companies write a recommendation letter for a previous employee; over here there is a "secret" code which goes something like this:

* we would like to recommend N.N = he's barely done his job right
* we would fully like to recommend N.N = he's just above average
* we would greatly like to recomment N.N = you will not be disappointed
* we would by our heart and soul like to recommend N.N = OK, he's good

* N.N has successfully completed his duties = doesn't do a thing more than you ask him
* N.N has more than successfully completed his duties = is somewhat flexible
* N.N has greatly completed his duties = can be trusted to do his work
* N.N has by all means and efforts completed his duties = OK, he does a good job

The problem with these grades is that not all companies know and follow them, so one minor company who really liked their ex-employee and writes in the recommendation letter that they really recommend him, will to another recruiter in a big company look like he's shite.

OK, this is quite far from the original eBay topic, but I think you see the similarity to feedback scores.

[vic user]

I would love it if they did something like you suggested.

That would really show which sellers do not leave feedback etc..

chris

[tvdog]

I am a buy/seller at the same time, I think that buyers should leave their feedbacks first. Since there's occasionally some guy that leaves a bad feedback for no reason. I guess that's why most seller prefers buyer to leave feedbacks first. So he/she doesn't get backstabbed after leaving a person a good feedbacks. :D I've seen this happend too many time... :twisted:

You couldn't be more wrong. Once I have paid you promptly, I deserve positive feedback. Period. By delaying until I give *you* positive feedback, you are attempting to extort a positive from me that you do not deserve, by holding the threat of negative feedback over my head should I dare to comment on your lousy service. The person who has been "backstabbed" is the buyer who was cheated, not the seller who got prompt payment and sent out a brick, to get a deserved negative.

An announced policy of "we will leave feedback for you after you leave it for us" is a sign of a dishonest seller, along with excessive shipping fees and "returns allowed only if item has been misrepresented."

(Well, it *is* the Rants forum. :angry: )

[barryp]

I am a buy/seller at the same time, I think that buyers should leave their feedbacks first. Since there's occasionally some guy that leaves a bad feedback for no reason. I guess that's why most seller prefers buyer to leave feedbacks first. So he/she doesn't get backstabbed after leaving a person a good feedbacks. :D I've seen this happend too many time... :twisted:

You couldn't be more wrong.

And I agree. I sold an item last evening, received PayPal payment and then posted positive feedback.

All the buyer owes me is the payment that he/she has agreed to.

I have had a situation recently when a seller posted (undeserved) negative after I had posted + for him. I was reluctant to post + but decided to, then wished I hadn't.

[Terry Yager]

When I sell, I usually send feedback as soon as I'm paid. I don't use negative feedback anymore, no matter how bad the other party may be. The only time I ever left a negative, for a deadbeat bidder who never paid, he retaliated by sending me my only negative ever. Ebay is totally wrong in allowing deadbeats that you have taken action against to still have access to your feedback. I've had several other deadbeats since then, but I don't dare leave negative to warn other sellers, so I just don't leave any feedback at all.

When I'm the buyer, I leave feedback as soon as the item is delivered.

--T

[barryp]

The only time I ever left a negative, for a deadbeat bidder who never paid, he retaliated by sending me my only negative ever.

I had that happen several years ago. I protested to eBay and they removed my negative and banished the woman who gave it to me. Now it looks like I can have a negative removed but it'll cost me $30 to try. (Not worth it to me)